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The first meeting of the Noncredit Pilot Project was held on Monday, March 4.  The agenda and all meeting minutes have been added to each section below.  


Pilot Meeting Information

This meeting was held online via Zoom.

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Date:   Monday, March 4, 2019

Time:  3:00PM - 4:30PM


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Topic: CCCApply Non-Credit Application Pilot Project - March 4 Meeting

Location: ONLINE

Zoom Meeting URL:  https://cccconfer.zoom.us/j/6770513851

Phone:  Dial: +1 669 900 6833 (US Toll) +1 646 876 9923 (US Toll)

Meeting ID: 677 051 3851


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TIMEDESCRIPTIONSPEAKER
3:00 PM

Welcome

Donohue
3:05 PM

Roll Call.  Confirm Participants Information

Donohue
3:10 PM

Review Pilot Project Plan 

See more information below
3:20 PMDEMO:  CCCApply Non-Credit App WorkflowSee more information below
3:40 PM

Review Non-Credit UAT Implementation Checklist 

See more information below
3:55 PM

Discussion:  Issues & Concerns with AB 3101 Residency Exemption for Non-Credit

See more information below
4:10 PM

Review Proposed Feature Enhancements: 

  1. Major / Major Category:  MVP (Credit vs. Non-Credit)
  2. Supplemental Questions:  MVP  (Credit vs Non-Credit)
  3. Needs & Interests Page
See more information below
TBDSURVEY - Gather Questions for Non-Credit App SurveyLeahy / Donohue
4:30 PMSchedule Recurring (bi-weekly) Meetings
4:35 PM

Close Meeting




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CCCApply Non-Credit Pilot Member Roster

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Non-Credit Application Pilot Members
A&R Contact

College / District
IT Contact

Paulette Linoplino@chabotcollege.eduXChabot College


Monika Liu

mliu@ccsf.edu

X

City College of SF

Quyen Lu

qlu@ccsf.edu

X
Francine Luong

fluong@ccsf.edu

XCity College of SFSheila Pontanares

spontana@ccsf.edu

X
MaryLou Leyba

mleyba@ccsf.edu

XCity College of SFWonda Wong

wowong@ccsf.edu

X
Liz Leisersoneleiserson@ccsf.edu
City College of SFChien Lin

clin@ccsf.edu

X



Coastline College

Kyle Mack

kmack7@cccd.eduX



Coastline CollegeTim Rigneytimr@cccd.eduX
Anna SalazarSalazaal@elac.eduXEast LA College


Anthony Cervantes
cervantesanthony@fhda.edu

Foothill College

Chien Shih

shihchien@fhda.edu
Elias Regaladoregaladoelias@fhda.edu
Foothill College

Jerrick Woo

woojerrick@fhda.edu

X





Linda Koyamakoyamalinda@fhda.eduX




Mahmood Hasan

hasanmahmood@fhda.eduX




Jyoti Gavaligavalijyoti@fhda.eduX
Kristy Lislelislekristy@fhda.eduXFoothill College


Tina King, Ed.D.tking@noce.eduX

North Orange CCD (SCE)

Morgan Beckmbeck@noce.eduX
Triseinge Ortiztortiz@noce.eduXNorth Orange CCD (SCE)


Shontel Coronascorona@noce.eduXNorth Orange CCD (SCE)


Jason Makabali

jmakabali@noce.edu

XNorth Orange CCD (SCE)


Thea Quigley

Thea.Quigley@rccd.eduXRiverside CCDAli Salinasali.salinas@rcc.eduX
Paula Barrera

paula.barrera@rccd.edu

XRiverside CCD


Esau Tovar, Ph.D.

tovar_esau@smc.eduX

Santa Monica College

Fai Fongfong_fai@smc.edu
Dione Cartercarter_dione@smc.eduXSanta Monica College


Luis Jaureguijauregui_luis@smc.eduXSanta Monica College


Mitch Leahymleahy@santarosa.eduXSanta Rosa Jr. College





Sierra College

Julia Arreguyjarreguy@sierracollege.edu
Gerlie Jeltemagjeltema@socccd.eduXSouth Orange CCD


Stephanie Murguiasmurguia@cerritos.edu
Cerritos College


Michelle Pena

michelle.pena@bakersfieldcollege.edu


Bakersfield College


Elena Alcalaealcala@cccco.edu
CCC Chancellor's Office


Michael Quiaoit

mquiaoit@cccco.edu

XCCC Chancellor's Office


Patty Donohue

pdonohue@ccctechcenter.org

XCCC Technology CenterMerrie Wales

mwales@ccctechcenter.org

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Jennifer Coleman

jcoleman@ccctechcenter.org

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Amanda Mason

amason@unicon.net


CCC Technology CenterKasey Crosby

kcrosby@ccctechcenter.org

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Info

This Meeting's Recording:   <  Zoom meeting recording goes here  >

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Project Overview 


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During the meeting, the pilot version of the Noncredit Application was demoed.  Patty is working on additional demo recordings that can be shared with you, your colleagues, and all CCC colleges.

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1Non-Credit Application - General DemoZoom RecordingCCCApply Non-Credit Workflow PathComing soon
2Non-Credit Application - Implementation TasksZoom RecordingNon-Credit Application - Pilot UAT SlidesComing soon



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Review Non-Credit UAT Implementation Checklist 


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Discussion

Below is a list of issues and concerns that were identified prior to the meeting and we only briefly discussed these in detail. We did decide, however, that we were going to send these - and any additional concerns that you may have - to the Chancellor's Office for official response. Michael Quiaoit attended the meeting and agreed to review any concerns and provide response as soon as possible.


Issues & Concerns about AB 3101 Residency Exemption for Non-Credit Applicants


In order to comply with AB 3101...

If noncredit students are exempt from residency classification at the time of application, then...

    1. What is their official residency status?
    2. Are colleges supposed to automatically classify them as a non-resident?
    3. What are the tuition fees should they be charged?
    4. If we are not determining residency classification, how does this impact apportionment?
    5. Are noncredit students included in apportionment?
    6. Are students allowed to transition to credit while they’re taking non-credit courses?
      1. If yes, would they have to submit a new application before transitioning to credit? (We discussed at the meeting...Yes)

CCCApply Response:  Allow the student to re-apply using the Standard Application if they transition to credit status to get a residency status.  The restriction in CCCApply that currently prevents a student from submitting more than one application to the same term at the same college has been removed ONLY for students who have submitted a Noncredit application and now need to submit a Standard Credit application in order to determine residency. Auto-population has been confirmed for all previously submitted Noncredit App responses, so the student will only have to answer the two pages of questions that are removed in the Noncredit application (Residency page and the Citizenship/Military page) in the Standard application.

  1. Should applicants agree to "Terms" that they understand the noncredit status?
  2. Does CCCApply need to incorporate a disclaimer that noncredit students are completing the non-credit application?

Response: Currently, this requirement was not included in the v.1.0 version, scheduled to release in March 2019


Warning

Deadline to Include More Concerns
Please send any additional concerns or issues that you feel requires an official response from the Chancellor's Office by Tuesday, March 12 at 5:00 pm. I am sending the list above, plus any additional concerns, on Tuesday evening.



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Change Requests: "Must Have" Features

What are the minimum viable product (MVP) "must have" features required for the v.1.0 release in June 2019?


During the meeting, three features were identified as "must have" requirements for the first version of the Noncredit Application (v.1.0):

  1. Different Welcome/Landing page: Implement a different landing page in the Noncredit Application (than the Standard Application)
  2. Different Majors: Implement the ability for the Noncredit Application to have different Majors/Programs of Study than the Standard Application
    1. Disable the Major Category filter in the Noncredit Application
  3. Different Supplemental Questions: Implement the ability for the Noncredit Application to have different supplemental questions than the Standard Application 


Field / Feature

Current Implementation

Current Limitations

Proposed Change for the Noncredit Application

Different Welcome/Landing page for the Noncredit Application


  • The same Welcome page is used by the Standard and the Noncredit application paths.

TBD

Add a Noncredit Intro page (landing page) that appears when the user enters the application using the Noncredit URL. 

Add a new landing page for the Noncredit application workflow, with the following language:

Noncredit Application to College

Before applying to college you must first have an OpenCCC account.

The OpenCCC single sign-in account allows you to access the online services of the California Community Colleges.

OpenCCC is a service of the California Community Colleges Chancellors Office. The information in your account is kept private and secure.




Student User Story

"As a student enrolling exclusively in noncredit courses I need to see the label, "Noncredit Application", on the welcome page (landing page) to minimize confusion about which application I am applying with to college."  

Field / FeatureCurrent ImplementationCurrent LimitationsProposed Change for the Noncredit Application

Different Majors: Implement the ability for the Noncredit Application to have different Majors/Programs of Study than the Standard Application

Applicable Field: Intended Major / Program of Study

  • Required field 
  • Colleges configure custom Majors/Programs in the Administrator
  • College Majors/Programs are the same across Standard & Non-Credit
  • Currently there is no way to implement separate Majors menu/fields in the Standard & the Non-Credit;
  • All Majors/Programs will appear in both apps

Colleges need the ability to display different Majors/Programs of Study in the Noncredit Application. 

Implement the ability for the college to identify/specify which application each of their custom Majors should display in. (This could be an "Application Type" flag - or similar - which is set for each individual major in the Administrator.)  

The Application types would include:  

  • Standard App
  • Noncredit App
  • Both Standard & Noncredit

But still need to be able to display all the same majors as the Standard Application, if they choose to.

  • Implement a tag/toggle in the "Add/Edit Major" modal that identifies if  a Major/Program should appear in the Standard App, the Non-Credit App, or Both apps.  otherwise it will NOT appear.
  • Implement logic that will only display the Majors that have the Noncredit App tag in the NC App.
College User Story

"As a college admissions staff, I need the ability to identify which of our custom majors/programs of study should appear in the Standard application, or the Noncredit application, or both applications, so that noncredit students see only the majors/programs that pertain to them."

Student User Story"As a student using the Noncredit Application to apply to college, I should only see the majors, programs, or courses in the "Intended Major/Program of Study" field menu on the Enrollment page that are applicable to students enrolling exclusively in noncredit courses (in which no credit is given)."

Field / Feature

Current Implementation

Current Limitations

Proposed Change for the Noncredit Application

Disable the Major Category Filter in the Noncredit Application Only


Applicable Field: <category>

  • Optional field / filter
  • Colleges create custom categories in the Administrator and then tag their Majors with them for the purpose of filtering
  • Major Category filter menu Only appears in the Standard Application IF one or more majors are tagged with a category
  • Currently there is no way to implement separate Category filters in the Standard app vs the Non-Credit app;
  • Disable the Major Category filter in the Non-Credit App
  • Even if the Major is set to display in the both the Noncredit and Standard Apps AND there is a category associated with the Major.
  • The Major Category filter should ONLY display / integrate with the Standard Application

NOTE

  • This change should only be implemented in conjunction with the "must have" change requirement above pertaining to differentiating majors in each application.
  • individual Majors can be flagged to display in both application, but if a category is also associated with the Major, the additional Major Category filter should only display in the Standard Application;
College User Story

"As a college admissions staff, I need the Major Category field/filter disabled in the Noncredit Application so that noncredit students don't get confused by an extra layer of filtering that isn't necessary - because the Noncredit Application itself is a filter."

Student User Story

"As a student enrolling exclusively in noncredit courses using the Noncredit Application, I should not have to select a Major Category in addition to selecting my Intended Major/Program of Study because the Noncredit application itself is a category and this would add an unnecessary step in the enrollment experience."


Field / FeatureCurrent ImplementationCurrent LimitationsProposed Change for the Noncredit Application

Different Supplemental Questions: Implement the ability for the Noncredit Application to have different Supplemental Questions than the Standard Application

  • Optional; colleges are not required to setup Supplemental Questions

  • Colleges configure their optional supplemental questions in an XML file and upload the file to the Administrator

  • Colleges must configure the questions using XML code 

  • Only one page of Supplemental Questions can be active and displayed at any one time

  • There's no way to schedule when Supp Questions display; the display specs are set in the Administrator and it's either Active or Inactive

  • Currently there's no way to separate or differentiate Supp Questions page for the Standard vs. Non-Credit applications; If one page is uploaded and enabled, it will appear for both applications by default;

Colleges need the ability to ask different supplemental questions to their Noncredit students. Implement the ability for different supplemental questions to appear in the Noncredit Application (optional).

  1. Best case scenario: Colleges want the ability to have different supplemental questions in the Standard vs Noncredit applications using one Supp Questions XML file which would include an Application Type indicator within the code of each question. The Application Type could be Standard, Noncredit, or Both.

  2. Next best scenario: Colleges want the ability to have different supplemental questions in the Standard vs. Noncredit applications, period. If we can't use the one (the same) XML file, allow the ability to have two XMLs (one for each Application) active in both applications. 

  3. At the very least: If we can't have different questions in each application, then colleges would rather have the supplemental questions turned OFF in the Noncredit application - with the option to implement the ability to turn them on or off as a future enhancement. 

NOTES:

Implement an "Application Type" flag that includes:

  • Standard App
  • Noncredit App
  • Both Standard & Noncredit

Data Fields: Ensure that the existing set of Supplemental Question data fields can be used by the Noncredit application as well as the Standard Application so that the college doesn't have to add/create any new data fields for the non-credit app.

Ideally, all questions will download to the same Format Definition XML file, regardless of which application the question fields appear in. The college should use care to track which questions are aligned to each download field on a spreadsheet.  It is recommended that colleges do not use the same download field for different questions. The "Working with Supplemental Questions User Guide" will include detailed implementation instructions for this feature. 

For example: If the college has 12 supplemental questions total, but:

  • 10 of them pertain to Standard App only = Standard App
  • 6 of them pertain to both Standard & Noncredit apps = Both Apps
  • 2 of them are exclusively for Noncredit students  = Noncredit App

All of these supp question data fields would need to be added to the Standard Application Format Definition XML (download file) - which is the file that the Noncredit Application downloads to, as well as the Standard application.

Best Case - College User Story

"As a college admissions staff, I need the ability to display different supplemental questions in the Noncredit Application than the Standard Application so that noncredit students see only the supplemental questions that pertain to them."  

 Student User Story"As a student enrolling exclusively in noncredit courses, I should only have to answer supplemental questions that pertains to noncredit experience."



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During the meeting - we discussed the benefits of creating a Noncredit Program survey.  Please support this effort by contributing one or more questions, and help identify our intended audience.

  1. What questions do we ask?

  2. Who is our target audience?

  3. How do we reach them?


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Pilot CollegesReview the list of Issues & Concerns that we want the Chancellor's Office to respond to
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Write up the Jira stories and change requirements for the three "must have" feature changes; submit to the Apply team for pre-grooming estimate

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Schedule next meeting:  March 22 

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Q&A from the Meeting Chat

Below are the comments, questions, and answers (where possible) from the 3/04 meeting Chat.  Answers are provided in BLUE below.


16:02:28 From Dione & Luis : Patty, Non-Credit needs to be spelled without a hyphen: Noncredit

Noted.  All official text and nomenclature will reference the proper spelling above:  Noncredit.  However, many of the internal documents that have already been published online (product information and implementation docs - if I change the document titles, I could break the links.  Hopefully we can live with those misspelled documents (smile)


15:34:01 From Paulette Lino : how do I access the list of colleges with (Pilot Noncredit) URLs?

15:40:29 From Kyle Mack : CCCApply Non-Credit Application URLs

Thank you, Kyle!


During the demo, a request was made to implement a different "Welcome" page for the Noncredit Application. Below are the comments during this discussion from the Chat.

16:27:34 From Ali Salinas (Riverside City) : A separate (Welcome) landing page would be very helpful.
15:33:16 From Ali Salinas (Riverside City) : I agree. I'd like some verbiage (on the Welcome page) that indicates it's a non-credit application.
15:39:12 From fong_fai : Agreed, especially in the case where a student had to apply twice during a term, once to the non-credit and then switch to a credit student. The landing page will clarify the application for the student.
16:28:10 From Monika Liu : I agree to have a separate landing page for Noncredit
16:29:41 From Morgan : = Noncredit
16:32:39 From fong_fai : I think we need to say "Noncredit Program Application"
15:58:27 From Morgan : I agree with Gerlie and Dione as if you are in the noncredit app it helps differentiate and removes confusion for the student. Those that have aspirations for credit still have to fill out a credit app anyway for residency and you can collect it there.

15:39:52 From Mitch Leahy : that depends on how your SIS is configured
15:40:13 From Mitch Leahy : You need to make sure that a non-credit doesn't enroll in credit if they complete a non-credit app. Otherwise... you will have an audit problem.
15:41:17 From Gerlie Jeltema : That's what I mean - from a policy perspective, if there are downstream impacts for how a student applied to the institution, then it should be clear which application the student is using.

I have added a change request to implement a unique landing page for the Noncredit Application. Please see the details above in the "Change Requests: "Must Have Features" section.


15:39:35 From Gerlie Jeltema : If a student made the mistake of applying via Non-Credit app because it was not clearly identified, does it prevent them from doing some things a regular student can do?

The Noncredit Application does not contain the Residency page or the Citizenship/Military page, and the first three questions on the Needs & Interests page have also been removed.  The Submission Calculation Service - which calculates the applicant's "Residency Status" - is disabled in the Noncredit Application. In addition, the AB 540 Eligibility algorithm, the Financial Aid Eligibility algorithm, and the Ineligible for Admission calculation services are disabled in the Noncredit Application.  This means that the information about whether the student is eligible for AB 540 benefits is not calculated and displayed on the "Special Links & Opportunities" page in the post-submission services process.  

So - in answer to your question - Yes, if the student accidentally applies using the Noncredit Application, the college will not be able to determine their residency classification for the purposes of determining tuition, and the student will have to complete the Standard Application for the same term at the same college in order to fulfill the requirements of residency determination.

As discussed during the meeting, and as documented in the Noncredit Application information, the logic preventing a student from submitting more than one application for the same term at the same college has been lifted for transitioning from Noncredit to "for credit" (but not the other way around). 

Extensive information about the Noncredit Application specifications, data fields changes, and student user experience, have been documented in the following documents:

Implementation & UAT Information

Change Requirements

Product & Pilot Information


15:38:39 From Gerlie Jeltema : Is there a limitation as to what Non-Credit students can do versus regular students at most institutions that require that a student know in advance that they are entering a strictly Non-Credit application?

This is an excellent question that I would like to propose be included on our CCC Noncredit Online Application Survey (suggested name). It would be very helpful to have more information about all the different types of noncredit programs across our system, what each of them requires, and what information is provided to their students prior to applying.


15:51:12 From fong_fai : Do you plan to add condition criteria for each of the supplemental questions. It would be great if you can, so we can control who sees the questions even on the regular app?

Implementing conditional logic in the Supplemental Questions module is something that we have wanted to do for a very long time. Unfortunately the CCCApply budget keeps getting cut back and we have been forced to stretch our "no new features" maintenance budget as far as we can while continuing to meet our primary charter objective of providing a legally compliant online admission application for the California Community Colleges and the 2.5+ million users applying each year.

However, during last year's "Administrator 2.0 Upgrade" - our initial project plan included a complete rewrite to the Supplemental Questions module for the Standard & International Applications. Unfortunately, due to budget cuts and another unforeseen shift in charter focus, we were forced to reprioritize the scope of the Administrator upgrade project, and settle for a "feature parity" product upgrade and prioritize replacing the antiquated PhP-based application with a modern UI and Java backend - to ensure we maintained all of our existing features in the revision.

Nevertheless - we will continue to include (beg for (smile)) requests for continuous improvement funding - including upgrading portions of the Administrator and Report Center - in our annual charter proposals and cross our fingers that we can make small strides in the upcoming years.


15:51:54 From Morgan : Does Spanish (translation) work now?

Unfortunately, the current version of Spanish hover help is still not working in this version of CCCApply. However, as mandated in AB 3101, we have begun gathering requirements for a CCCApply Redesign - including a new user interface with Spanish (international) translation that is mobile-phone friendly with superior support enhancements (chat capabilities and text messaging). At this time we do not have confirmation that our budget for FY2019-2020 will allow us to begin development - but we are working with a variety of stakeholders (under the guidance of the Chancellor's Office) on the comprehensive redesign specification in anticipation for funding approval.  (Spanish translation is at the top of the list!)


15:52:09 From fong_fai : Would the download residency status be just blank?
15:53:34 From fong_fai : I see that that the residency status would be "N"

In the Noncredit Application, the Submission Calculation Service is disabled (this is the service that calculates the four areas of the Residency algorithm into a preliminary "residency status"); therefore, we have added a new data value to the Residency status field <res_status> - as well as the four residency area status fields.  Please see all the changes to the data downloads and other data specifications here: 

Also, the CCCApply Standard Application Data Dictionary v.2019.1 has been updated with all data changes in the Noncredit Application.


15:53:22 From Morgan : Can we edit the needs and interest to fit our student population and reduce the confusion on our most vulnerable population?

Unfortunately no, not in this version of CCCApply.  However - one of the key design elements in our plan for the next version is to re-architect the backend of the application into a flexible, universal form engine, which would allow colleges to be able to customize questions, sections, and pages - to some extent.  Let's hope we get the funding needed to more forward in this direction.


15:56:28 From Kyle Mack : Not having the option to use a different set of majors on the standard and non-credit apps will be a deal breaker for Coast Community Colleges.

This is our feeling, too, Kyle, and we anticipated this going into this pilot phase. Our hope is that we can work with you to deploy a feature that meets your needs. I think we have a proposal above that will work.  See "Change Requests: "Must Have" Features above.


15:59:22 From fong_fai : Should we add non-credit status field and integrity flag 81 for the production roll out coming in a couple of weeks?

Great question, Fai.  I would add those two new fields - and accommodate your business processes to acknowledge the new Residency Status and Area values specified - in your PILOT environment only through the end of this college pilot phase.  We won't be officially releasing the Noncredit Application code to Production until the June release (June 28).  The reason being - as we continue to make feature enhancements throughout this pilot phase, there will likely be code changes before the production release. 

Please see the following to start testing in Pilot:


15:59:23 From Ali Salinas (Riverside City) : Can non-credit be added as a major award_type? This would prevent the colleges from having to implement the major categories, and perhaps it would open up options to filter what's displayed in the major dropdown menu.

That's a good thought, but unfortunately I don't see that happening for this version of the Noncredit or Standard applications.  The reason is - the award type field doesn't integrate anywhere in the application. It's not used at all now and would require a significant revision to implement that as a filter at this point. 


16:10:13 From Ali Salinas (Riverside City) : Patty, is this presentation/set of slides available online?

Yes.  The CCCApply Noncredit Path - Pilot UAT Slides is available here. 


16:11:18 From Gerlie Jeltema to Patty Donohue (Privately) : When a student applies using Non-Credit first, they can apply using the Credit app for the same term is what I heard. What happens if they apply for the Credit app first?

Yes, that is correct.  We have lifted the restriction that is in place now for submitting more than one application to the same term at the same college specifically so a noncredit student who has submitted the Noncredit Application can also submit a  Standard Application for the same term at the same college - if they need to.  

However, the restriction holds for the other process.  If a student submits a Standard Application - they will NOT be allowed to submit a Noncredit Application afterwards to the same term at the same college. The reason for this is that the Standard Application should have provided the college everything they need to enroll the student in noncredit.  The only exception to this would be - if we implement the change to the Major/Program of Study field - allowing the noncredit application to have different majors or programs of study, the college may need to follow up with the student on which program they plan to enroll in within your noncredit program.  Otherwise, they will have provided all the other required responses and shouldn't need to complete a Noncredit application after submitting a Standard app.


16:16:57 From Michael Quiaoit to Patty Donohue (Privately) : CO is fine with clarifying any questions, please send them to me and Elena Alcala, so Natalie Wagner can include the answers in the Residency Overview document.

Thank you, Michael Q!  As discussed in our meeting, we will gather and review a set of concerns and issues that the group would to submit to the Chancellor's Office for a Legal Opinion or other official response. We will be working on this list in the coming week and will submit the list to you and Elena as soon as possible.  Thanks again.


16:18:41 From Dione & Luis : When does the noncredit app go live?
16:20:27 From Merrie Wales : Dione, In Pilot the Non-Credit app is available now

So the Noncredit Application is live now in the Pilot environment.  Please see the Implementation information - provided several times above - for implementation and setup instructions. 

The plan is to work on the remaining "must have" requirements and any other bug fixes identified over the course of this 12 week "pilot project" (not to confuse that with our Pilot environment, sorry) - with plans to deploy the final version to Production - for all colleges - in June (28th).  

One suggestion I will discuss with the pilot committee is - after the feature enhancements are completed and deployed - we may decide to allow this group of colleges to beta test the final version in Production with students prior to the June release. That would give us some much needed feedback prior to the production launch. I think this will depend on how quickly we can identify issues and get them resolved over the upcoming weeks.


16:21:09 From Shontel Corona : I noticed North Orange Continuing Education (NOCE) is missing from the CCCApply Non-Credit Application URLs list. Fullerton and Cypress college are listed, but not NOCE 863

I need to look into this, Shontel, because as far as I understand we do not have any "district" applications.  All  CCCApply applications are configured to the college MIS code.  It's possible that North Orange has stood up some form of District front page, and I know it's possible for districts to combine the download files at the district level, but as far as students applying through CCCApply, all applications are based on the "college" MIS code. 

NOTE: If we have made an exception for North Orange - or if there is a third college MIS code that I am unaware of - then my apologies. You can construct your URL by replacing the three XXX's in the URL template with your MIS code. However, when I tested the MIS code you listed - I did not see a valid application.  Let's chat through Support.


16:35:44 From fong_fai : Could we use the concept of area and apply to the noncredit program and the program becomes the different noncredit program

Please IM me privately, Fai.  I need some clarification on this question.  Thanks!


16:44:50 From Anna Salazar - EAST : In my opinion a survey should be sent out

Excellent!  Thank you, Anna.  We all agreed that a survey is needed.  Please provide some question suggestions to the committee so we can get moving on that survey.