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Pilot Meeting Information

This meeting will be held online via Zoom.

Meeting Information

Date:   Monday, March 4, 2019

Time:  3:00PM - 4:30PM


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Topic: CCCApply Non-Credit Application Pilot Project - March 4 Meeting

Location: ONLINE

Zoom Meeting URL:  https://cccconfer.zoom.us/j/6770513851

Phone:  Dial: +1 669 900 6833 (US Toll) +1 646 876 9923 (US Toll)

Meeting ID: 677 051 3851


Agenda

TIMEDESCRIPTIONSPEAKER
3:00 PM

Welcome

Donohue
3:05 PM

Roll Call.  Confirm Participants Information

Donohue
3:10 PM

Review Pilot Project Plan 

See more information below
3:20 PMDEMO:  CCCApply Non-Credit App WorkflowSee more information below
3:40 PM

Review Non-Credit UAT Implementation Checklist 

See more information below
3:55 PM

Discussion:  Issues & Concerns with AB 3101 Residency Exemption for Non-Credit

See more information below
4:10 PM

Review Proposed Feature Enhancements: 

  1. Major / Major Category:  MVP (Credit vs. Non-Credit)
  2. Supplemental Questions:  MVP  (Credit vs Non-Credit)
  3. Needs & Interests Page
See more information below
TBDSURVEY - Gather Questions for Non-Credit App SurveyLeahy / Donohue
4:30 PMSchedule Recurring (bi-weekly) Meetings
4:35 PM

Close Meeting



Roll Call

CCCApply Non-Credit Pilot Member Roster

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Non-Credit Application Pilot Members
A&R Contact

College / District
IT Contact

Paulette Linoplino@chabotcollege.eduXChabot College


Monika Liu

mliu@ccsf.edu

X

City College of SF

Quyen Lu

qlu@ccsf.edu

X
Francine Luong

fluong@ccsf.edu

XCity College of SFSheila Pontanares

spontana@ccsf.edu

X
MaryLou Leyba

mleyba@ccsf.edu

XCity College of SFWonda Wong

wowong@ccsf.edu

X
Liz Leisersoneleiserson@ccsf.edu
City College of SFChien Lin

clin@ccsf.edu

X



Coastline College

Kyle Mack

kmack7@cccd.eduX



Coastline CollegeTim Rigneytimr@cccd.eduX
Anna SalazarSalazaal@elac.eduXEast LA College


Anthony Cervantes
cervantesanthony@fhda.edu

Foothill College

Chien Shih

shihchien@fhda.edu
Elias Regaladoregaladoelias@fhda.edu
Foothill College

Jerrick Woo

woojerrick@fhda.edu

X





Linda Koyamakoyamalinda@fhda.eduX




Mahmood Hasan

hasanmahmood@fhda.eduX




Jyoti Gavaligavalijyoti@fhda.eduX
Kristy Lislelislekristy@fhda.eduXFoothill College


Tina King, Ed.D.tking@noce.eduX

North Orange CCD (SCE)

Morgan Beckmbeck@noce.eduX
Triseinge Ortiztortiz@noce.eduXNorth Orange CCD (SCE)


Shontel Coronascorona@noce.eduXNorth Orange CCD (SCE)


Jason Makabali

jmakabali@noce.edu

XNorth Orange CCD (SCE)


Thea Quigley

Thea.Quigley@rccd.eduXRiverside CCDAli Salinasali.salinas@rcc.eduX
Paula Barrera

paula.barrera@rccd.edu

XRiverside CCD


Esau Tovar, Ph.D.

tovar_esau@smc.eduX

Santa Monica College

Fai Fongfong_fai@smc.edu
Dione Cartercarter_dione@smc.eduXSanta Monica College


Luis Jaureguijauregui_luis@smc.eduXSanta Monica College


Mitch Leahymleahy@santarosa.eduXSanta Rosa Jr. College





Sierra College

Julia Arreguyjarreguy@sierracollege.edu
Gerlie Jeltemagjeltema@socccd.eduXSouth Orange CCD


Stephanie Murguiasmurguia@cerritos.edu
Cerritos College


Michelle Pena

michelle.pena@bakersfieldcollege.edu


Bakersfield College


Elena Alcalaealcala@cccco.edu
CCC Chancellor's Office


Michael Quiaoit

mquiaoit@cccco.edu

XCCC Chancellor's Office


Patty Donohue

pdonohue@ccctechcenter.org

XCCC Technology CenterMerrie Wales

mwales@ccctechcenter.org

X
Jennifer Coleman

jcoleman@ccctechcenter.org

X



Amanda Mason

amason@unicon.net


CCC Technology CenterKasey Crosby

kcrosby@ccctechcenter.org

X








This Meeting's Recording:   <  Zoom meeting recording goes here  >


Project Overview 

  • Pilot Overview 

  • Project Timeline & Schedule

  • Pilot Objectives

  • Success Criteria

    • Survey

  • Iterative Releases


Demos

#DescriptionTypeSLIDES /  PPTLink or File
1Non-Credit Application - General DemoZoom RecordingCCCApply Non-Credit Workflow Path
2Non-Credit Application - Implementation TasksZoom RecordingNon-Credit Application - Pilot UAT Slides

UAT Checklist

Review Non-Credit UAT Implementation Checklist 


Discussion

Issues & Concerns with AB 3101 Residency Exemption for Non-Credit

    1. What is their official residency status?
    2. Are colleges supposed to automatically classify them as a non-resident?
    3. What tuition fees should they be charged?
    4. Non-resident or resident fees if taking credit courses at the same time or transitioning to credit courses?
    5. If we are not determining residency classification, how does this impact apportionment?
    6. Are non-credit, non-residents not included in apportionment?

If non-credit students are exempt from residency classification, then…

  1. Are students allowed to transition to credit while they’re taking non-credit courses?
  2. If so, would they have to submit a new application before transitioning to credit? (Yes)

Response:  Allow the student to re-apply with the Standard Application to get residency status. Auto-population will fill responses from the Non-credit application.

  1. Should applicants agree to "Terms" that they understand the non-credit status?
  2. Does CCCApply need to incorporate a disclaimer that non-credit students are completing the non-credit application?

Response: Currently, this requirement was not included in the v.1.0 version, scheduled to release in March 2019


Discussion: "Must Have" Features & Requirements

What are the MVP "must have" changes required for June 2019, and Beyond

Identify List of "Must Have" Changes

  1. Major / Major Category:  MVP (Credit vs. Non-Credit)
  2. Supplemental Questions:  MVP  (Credit vs Non-Credit)
  3. Noncredit App Introduction Page: MVP 


Field / FeatureCurrent ImplementationCurrent LimitationsNeed & Proposed Change*

Implement a Noncredit Intro Page


  • The same Welcome page is used by the Standard and the Noncredit application paths.

TBD

Add a Noncredit Intro page (landing page) that appears when the user enters the application using the Noncredit URL. 

Add a new landing page for the Noncredit application workflow, with the following language:


Noncredit Application to College

Before applying to college you must first have an OpenCCC account.

The OpenCCC single sign-in account allows you to access the online services of the California Community Colleges.

OpenCCC is a service of the California Community Colleges Chancellors Office. The information in your account is kept private and secure.




Student User Story

"As a student enrolling exclusively in noncredit courses I need to see the label, "Noncredit Application", on the welcome page (landing page) to minimize confusion about which application I am applying with to college."  

Field / FeatureCurrent ImplementationCurrent LimitationsNeed & Proposed Change*

Implement the ability for colleges to specify which Application(s) each Major/Program of Study should appear


Applicable Field: Intended Major / Program of Study

  • Required field 
  • Colleges configure custom Majors/Programs in the Administrator
  • College Majors/Programs are the same across Standard & Non-Credit
  • Currently there is no way to implement separate Majors menu/fields in the Standard & the Non-Credit;
  • All Majors/Programs will appear in both apps

Colleges need to be able to display different Majors in the Noncredit Application

Colleges need to be able to display the same Majors in the Noncredit application.  

Implement the ability for the college to designate which application each Major should appear in. (This should be an "Application Type" flag - or similar - which is set for each individual major.)  

The Application types should include:  

  • Standard App
  • Noncredit App
  • Both Standard & Noncredit

But still need to be able to display all majors

  • Implement a tag/toggle in the "Add/Edit Major" modal that identifies if  a Major/Program should appear in the Standard App, the Non-Credit App, or Both apps.  otherwise it will NOT appear.
  • Implement logic that will only display the Majors that have the Non-Credit tag in the NC App. (NOTE: This means that these Majors/Programs would also appear in the Standard, but would ONLY appear in the Non-Credit app)
College User Story

"As a college admissions staff, I need the ability to identify which individual majors/programs of study should appear in the Standard application, or the Noncredit application, or both applications, so that noncredit students see only the majors/programs that pertain to them."

Student User Story"As a student using the Noncredit Application to apply to college, I should only see the majors, programs, or courses in the "Major/Program of Study" menu on the Enrollment page that are applicable to students enrolling exclusively in courses in which no credit is given."

Field / FeatureCurrent ImplementationCurrent LimitationsNeed & Proposed Change*

Disable the Major Category Filter in the Noncredit Application Only


Applicable Field: <category>

  • Optional field / filter
  • Colleges create custom categories in the Administrator and then tag their Majors with them for the purpose of filtering
  • Major Category filter menu Only appears in the Standard Application IF one or more majors are tagged with a category
  • Currently there is no way to implement separate Category filters in the Standard app vs the Non-Credit app;
  • Disable the Major Category filter in the Non-Credit App
  • Even if the Major is set to display in the both the Noncredit and Standard Apps AND there is a category associated with the Major.
  • The Major Category filter should ONLY display / integrate with the Standard Application

NOTE

  • This change should only be implemented in conjunction with the change above pertaining to the Intended Major/Program of Study field.
  • individual Majors can be flagged to display in both application, but if a category is also associated with the Major, the additional Major Category filter should only display in the Standard Application;
College User Story

"As a college admissions staff, I need the Major Category field/filter disabled in the Noncredit Application so that noncredit students don't get confused by an extra layer of filtering that isn't necessary - because the Noncredit Application itself is a filter"

Student User Story

"As a student enrolling exclusively in noncredit courses using the Noncredit Application, I should not have to select a Major Category in addition to selecting my Intended Major/Program of Study because the Noncredit application itself is a category and this would add an unnecessary step in the enrollment experience."


Field / FeatureCurrent ImplementationCurrent LimitationsNeed & Proposed Change*

Implement the ability to display different Supplemental Questions in the Noncredit Application

  • Optional; colleges are not required to setup Supplemental Questions

  • Colleges configure their optional supplemental questions in an XML file and upload the file to the Administrator

  • Colleges must configure the questions using XML code 

  • Only one page of Supplemental Questions can be active and displayed at any one time

  • There's no way to schedule when Supp Questions display; the display specs are set in the Administrator and it's either Active or Inactive

  • Currently there's no way to separate or differentiate Supp Questions page for the Standard vs. Non-Credit applications; If one page is uploaded and enabled, it will appear for both applications by default;

Colleges need the ability to ask different supplemental questions of their Noncredit students.  

  1. Best case scenario: College needs the ability to specify which application each question appears in (Standard, Noncredit or both)

  2. Next best scenario: Colleges want the ability to display the same page of supplemental questions in both applications or not. 

  3. At the very least: Colleges would rather have supplemental questions turned OFF in their Noncredit application if they can't have either of the other two scenarios. 

NOTES:

Implement an "Application Type" flag that includes:

  • Standard App
  • Noncredit App
  • Both Standard & Noncredit

Data Fields: Ensure that the existing set of Standard Supplemental Question data fields can be used by the Noncredit application as well as the Standard Applicatoin so that the college doesn't have to add/create any new data fields just for the non-credit 

Ideally, a mix of questions with varying Application Types would be configured in the same Format Definition XML (adding a line of code designating the App Type that the question should appear in). 

For example: If the college has 12 supplemental questions total, but:

  • 10 of them pertain to Standard App only = Standard App
  • 6 of them pertain to both Standard & Noncredit apps = Both Apps
  • 2 of them are exclusively for Noncredit students  = Noncredit App

Could all of these questions be configured on the same XML - with the Application Type determining which ones should display in each application or both?

Best Case - College User Story

"As a college admissions staff, I need the ability to display different supplemental questions in the Noncredit Application than the Standard Application so that noncredit students see only the supplemental questions that pertain to them."  

 Student User Story"As a student enrolling exclusively in noncredit courses, I should only have to answer supplemental questions that pertains to noncredit experience."

Survey

Participants agreed that a survey is warranted

  1. What questions do we ask?

  2. Who is our target audience?

  3. How do we reach them?


QuestionTypeAudienceExpected Outcome











Next Actions 

#DescriptionNotesAssigned to Start DateDeadline DateStatus

Send the list of concerns to the committee for feedback;
Patty

Sent to committee: 3/05

March 22

Once the committee has responded with any additional concerns, send to the CO for response





Flesh out the three "must have" requirements and submit to the development team for an IT development estimateGoal:  Dev team to groom and estimate changes this week (Mar 7) PattyDraft up Jira tickets and groom for development estimateMarch 11

Setup Recurring Meetings for Friday mornings?

Start with the next Meeting:  March 22 

Schedule next meeting for March 22Patty3/05/19









Q&A from the Meeting Chat

Below are the comments and questions from the 3/04 meeting Chat.  Answers are provided in BLUE below.


16:02:28 From Dione & Luis : Patty, Non-Credit needs to be spelled without a hyphen: Noncredit

Noted.  All official text and nomenclature will reference the proper spelling above:  Noncredit.  However, many of the internal documents that have already been published online (product information and implementation docs - if I change the document titles, I could break the links.  Hopefully we can live with those misspelled documents (smile)


15:34:01 From Paulette Lino : how do I access the list of colleges with (Pilot Noncredit) URLs?

15:40:29 From Kyle Mack : CCCApply Non-Credit Application URLs


15:33:16 From Ali Salinas (Riverside City) : I agree. I'd like some verbiage that indicates it's a non-credit application.
15:39:12 From fong_fai : Agreed, especially in the case where a student had to apply twice during a term, once to the non-credit and then switch to a credit student. The landing page will clarify the application for the student.
16:27:34 From Ali Salinas (Riverside City) : Separate landing page would be very helpful.
16:28:10 From Monika Liu : I agree to have a separate landing page for Noncredit
16:29:41 From Morgan : = Noncredit
16:30:13 From Mitch Leahy : https://extranet.cccco.edu/Portals/1/TRIS/MIS/Left_Nav/DED/Data_Elements/CB/cb22.pdf
16:32:39 From fong_fai : I think we need to say "Noncredit Program Application"

15:58:27 From Morgan : I agree with Gerlie and Dione as if you are in the noncredit app it helps differentiate and removes confusion for the student. Those that have aspirations for credit still have to fill out a credit app anyway for residency and you can collect it there.
15:39:35 From Gerlie Jeltema : If a student made the mistake of applying via Non-Credit app because it was not clearly identified, does it prevent them from doing some things a regular student can do?


15:38:39 From Gerlie Jeltema : Is there a limitation as to what Non-Credit students can do versus regular students at most institutions that require that a student know in advance that they are entering a strictly Non-Credit application?
15:39:52 From Mitch Leahy : that depends on how your SIS is configured
15:40:13 From Mitch Leahy : You need to make sure that a non-credit doesn't enroll in credit if they complete a non-credit app. Otherwise... you will have an audit problem.
15:41:17 From Gerlie Jeltema : That's what I mean - from a policy perspective, if there are downstream impacts for how a student applied to the institution, then it should be clear which application the student is using.

15:51:12 From fong_fai : Do you plan to add condition criteria for each of the supplemental questions. It would be great if you can, so we can control who sees the questions even on the regular app?


15:51:54 From Morgan : Does Spanish (translation) work now?


15:52:09 From fong_fai : Would the download residency status be just blank?
15:53:34 From fong_fai : I see that that the residency status would be "N"


15:53:22 From Morgan : Can we edit the needs and interest to fit our student population and reduce the confusion on our most vulnerable population?


15:56:28 From Kyle Mack : Not having the option to use a different set of majors on the standard and non-credit apps will be a deal breaker for Coast Community Colleges.


15:59:22 From fong_fai : Should we add non-credit status field and integrity flag 81 for the production roll out coming in a couple of weeks?


15:59:23 From Ali Salinas (Riverside City) : Can non-credit be added as a major award_type? This would prevent the colleges from having to implement the major categories, and perhaps it would open up options to filter what's displayed in the major dropdown menu.


16:10:13 From Ali Salinas (Riverside City) : Patty, is this presentation/set of slides available online?


16:11:18 From Gerlie Jeltema to Patty Donohue (Privately) : When a student applies using Non-Credit first, they can apply using the Credit app for the same term is what I heard. What happens if they apply for the Credit app first?


16:16:57 From Michael Quiaoit to Patty Donohue (Privately) : CO is fine with clarifying any questions, please send them to me and Elena Alcala, so Natalie Wagner can include the answers in the Residency Overview document.


16:18:41 From Dione & Luis : When does the noncredit app go live?
16:20:27 From Merrie Wales : Dione, In Pilot the Non-Credit app is available now


16:21:09 From Shontel Corona : I noticed North Orange Continuing Education (NOCE) is missing from the CCCApply Non-Credit Application URLs list. Fullerton and Cypress college are listed, but not NOCE 863


16:35:44 From fong_fai : Could we use the concept of area and apply to the noncredit program and the program becomes the different noncredit program


16:44:50 From Anna Salazar - EAST : In my opinion a survey should be sent out

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