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This meeting will be held online via Zoom.

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titleMeeting Information

Date    Wednesday, July 25, 2018

Time   12:30PM - 3:30PM

Location  ONLINE

Topic: CCCApply Steering Committee Meeting - July 25 Residency Review Session
Start Time: Jul 25, 2018 12:39

Meeting Recording:
https://cccconfer.zoom.us/recording/share/vLaKmAEhrSTobmuNOCNAMGzE14bIp-8aSN-_e5ZBpiCwIumekTziMw




Agenda

TIMEDESCRIPTIONSPEAKER
12:30PM

CCCApply Residency & Legal Questions Review 

Pena / Leahy / Donohue
3:00PM

Close Meeting

Pena



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Roll Call

2018 Steering Committee Member Roster

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2018 - 2019
CCCApply STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS

Name

District

Name

District

Name

District

XAli Salinas (IT)Riverside City College - RCCD

Los Rios District - ARC

Quyen Lu/Wanda Wong

San Francsico CCD
XAnna SalazarLos Angeles CCD - ELAC

Joshua Rosales

El Camino CCD


Richette Bell

Compton CCD


Angela Embry 

El Camino CCD

X

Karen Sea

San Joaquin-Delta CCD

X

Rozen Bondoc

Chabot-Las Positas

X

Ben Guzman

South Orange CCD

X

Leigh Ann Unger

Rio Hondo District

X

Satish Warrier

Contra Costa CCD

X

Betty Glyer-Culver

Los Rios CCD


Mark DeAsis

Riverside CCD


Stephanie Murguia

Cerritos CCD

XChris TruongRancho Santiago CCDXMaryLou LeybaSan Francisco CCD
Stacey FollowillChabot-Las Positas

Christian AlvaradoSouth Orange CCD -SaddlebackXMaury PearlLos Angeles CCDXTina Mani San Joaquin Delta CCD
X

Cindy Gonzales

Los Rios CCD

XMichael WardRancho Santiago CCD

Tuyen Nguyen

Rancho Santiago CCD

X

Clark Ray

Santa Rosa CCD

XMichelle PenaKern CCD

Vince Orton

Cerritos CCD


Craig Hayward

Kern CCDXMitchell LeahySanta Rosa CCDXWill Minnich/Susan LorenzoSan Mateo CCD
XGreg Aycock (research)Riverside CCD (Norco)XOlivia Alvarado -ITLos Angeles CCDXCatherine FrostContra Costa CCD
XHieu HoangEl Camino CCDXPam MerySan Francisco CCD




Janice Love (research)

Rancho Santiago CCD

XPaulette LinoChabot-Las Positas CCD










CHANCELLORS OFFICE & CCC TECHNOLOGY CENTER
X

Gary Bird

CCCCO

X

Mike Quiaoit

CCCCO


Deb Barker-GarciaCCCCO
X

Tim Calhoon

CCCTC

X

Patty Donohue

CCCTC







Update on CCCApply Redesign Workgroup 

  1. Update Share Redesign Workgroup mission and objectives
    1. AB3101 - Discuss the issues and the facts behind this bill.
  2. Workgroup sub-committees
    1. Fields & Questions committee
    2. Low-hanging Fruit Changes 
    3. Deployment Schedule
    4. Other workgroups
  3. Update on the Ideas42 Study on CCCApply
    1. Objectives and timeline
    2. Ways to collaborate now
  4. Phase 1: CCCApply Application Changes Approved for September 2018.

  5. Next steps?  

Notes:

Ensure our Standard Application paper version is ADA compliant.  Per Catherine Frost, Contra Costa College, they are saying it's not ADA compliant. Get in front of Sean Keegan for verification and if we need to update it. 

Change Requests Proposed during the CCCApply Redesign Workgroup update discussion:

  • Implement logic that will auto-direct applicants to MyPath after they submit a CCCApply application. This change is for colleges using MyPath ONLY . Ensure that the Back button cannot return the user to CCCApply or Account and that their session has ended (timed out) to ensure privacy of the applicant. (shared computer terminals, etc.)
  • Remove the Step Forward link (displaying as "Keep Moving > " from the Links & Opps page for ALL users
  • Continue working moving the Consent to Release mechanism to the beginning of the application.
  • Add a survey to the Abandonment email or somewhere - asking for feedback on why they abandoned the application. Great suggestion.
  • For research purposes, review *Google analytics data to determine if colleges are lingering on this page (Review Application) OR if we know if students are going back to fix or change anything? Look into it.
    • Another suggestion is to zip up the Review App page and give students the option to view the Review the page.
  • Expand the request to remove the Review Application page and combine that with the other change request to combine the Consent & Submission pages. “Language should include “it’s recommended that you review your application” (See CR# 2018-28: Combine Review App, Consent & Submission pages in CCCApply )

Residency Review Sub-Committee

  1. Review goals & objectives for this discussion
    1. Review the current CCCApply residency algorithm, questions, and integrity flags to ensure compliance with state & federal legislation
      1. SAAM
      2. Ed Code & Title V
      3. CCC Residency Questionnaire
      4. http://www.caccrao.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/AR_New-Directors_Manual_2016_Final.pdf
    2. Review language pertaining to CCCApply in new AB3101 to identify ways to support that effort. 

Minutes / Notes from the Residency Review Discussion

Welcome & Introductions

  • Steering Committee = Michelle Pena, Stephanie Murguia, Mitch Leahy
  • CCC Tech Center = Patty Donohue, Tim Calhoon
  • Ideas42 = Harrison Neuert

Update on Ideas42 Project - Harrison Neuert


Overview of Objectives/Agenda:  

  1. Review current residency algorithm logic and look at each question to determine if we are still in compliance with state, local & federal regulations.
    1. Patty directed everyone to the CCCApply Standard Application Data Dictionary - Residency Areas A, B, C, D
  2. RDD - Thinking outside the box - Could we petition the state or BOG to standardize the RDD (annual RDD?  twice annually RDD?
    1. Concern:  Students who are within days of residency determination and this would penalize them. Feedback from Contra Costa is that this would not work for them.
      1. Mitch Leahy, Santa Rosa:  Pick a date (say, July 1st) we'd have one set date that would give us flexibility to implement ONE system-wide application, benefiting the student greatly by simplifying the application process across colleges. Mitch also said that Omid has expressed interest in this, as it would streamline application process.  There is definitely
      2. What about TWO dates per year?  Or one application for the Academic Year, which is shared across colleges.  
    2. Feedback:  We need to see data on this before moving forward.   There was concern that a broader discussion is required.  But how? 
      1. One common application, it would affect our ability to collect Supplemental Questions

Feedback: From Elias Regalado, if this was to go forward, we'd need to petition for statutory change: Ed Code 68023 and Title V (it would be a Statutory Change 66023)  Title V: 54002 - The RDD is the day immediately preceding the opening date of instruction. 

Note

How do we do a broader discussion on this?  Create a SURVEY with a good problem statement.

One universal date or set of dates that would standardize the residency determination date to benefit all students / all colleges.  




Review of Residency Area A:  Citizenship 

Residency Change question

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Areas

Area of Discussion

Are there questions & or logic that could be revised or removed?What needs to change?Related Issues

A

Area A: Citizenship





Citizenship

Status 

Status section label

  1. Revise the "Citizenship"
  1. section label to "Citizenship/Immigration Status" 


Minor:  Update the labels of data fields to include "visa/alien reg" because both of these statuses share the same data fields

We code a lot of students as non-residents - or "possible residents" 
Change the wording of your emails - you've been classified as a "possible California resident" 







Crafton Hills College mentioned that by changing some of the language in their 

PROBLEM: Students Coded as Non-residents in Error

In the scenario where a student is in the country but out of status or in the process of applying for residency

In the scenario where a student is in the country but out of status or in the process of applying for residencyProblem:  Students are getting

:

Problem: Students are getting coded as non-resident, when they are not. 

Get the wording to the emails from Larry at Crafton College - that explains process and coding. 

Using the language "you're a "possible resident" - here's what you need to do and/or submit to get through the process."

Anna from East LA College should lead the charge on the DACA inclusion

DACA Work Permits  - a lot of students have work permits

Add DACA value under the citizenship Crafton Hills College mentioned that by changing some of the language in their email messages (triggered by rules) they have resolved and/or avoided many of non-resident status determinations









DACA Work Permits  - a lot of students have work permits


Add DACA value under the citizenship status to the list
DACA students are allowed to establish residency with work permits.

A work permit itself does not denote residency

We don't have an option for C-33 which is a DACA. They have to come in and show us their Employment Authorization Card



Talk to the CO about adding DACA to the citizenship question; it is a legal status and we have to identify them somehow. 

Add DACA to Citizenship status 
Given a "Work Permit"

Most colleges are finding this out in the supplemental residency questionnaire.

If DACA is selected - C-33 Issue Date, Expiration Date, and whether it's a C-33 or not.

Text change - pretty easy to do this

*Note: someone noted that DACA students might feel targeted and won't want to feel l

Text change - pretty easy to do this




Special Residency Questions

(Season Agricultural worker - statute & Title 5)

Remove the three special residency questions from the application and then if the student is identified as a non-resident or an R2 

Keep the Foster Youth 
Keep the Homeless Youth 

These are special eligibility for non-residents. Only show these if they will be given 

Residency Area B: Stay & Intent

Move the Out-of-State IndicatorsMove these questions up - directly under the "Have you lived Anna Salazar from East LA College should lead the charge on the DACA inclusion


B

Area B: Stay & Intent

Move the Out-of-State Indicators

Move these questions up - directly under the "Have you lived in California for 2 years or more?"





Remove College Education Level StatusBUT move the response options into the High School Education Level Status options
Rename the HS Edu Level questions to Highest Education Level 



Homeless Youth - Address IssueThere continues to be issue around homeless youth - 

Homeless question on the Residency page only appears if you are 25 years old or younger in CA

Homeless question in the Permanent Addres

Michael Q talked to Legal about self-certification in CCCApply for homeless youth - but they asked if we could solve it easier in new version of CCCApply. 


Colleges Attended
College Attendance From
College Attendance To
Colleges Attended - remove the "day" from Attendance From and Attendance To fields for each college attended 


Dual EnrollmentProblem: Dual enrollment students are getting coded as non-residents and they are walking away. 

Add an option for Middle Schoolers to Last School Attended section to make it clear 

Add a new value for middle school (or lower grade than high school)

Add a response option to the HS Edu Level - for "I attended a grade lower than high school"

Change the label to "Last School Attended"

Add a new option to "Last School Attended" checkbox/button for "Lower grade than high school"

Ensure logic > do not display the School Finder 
Ensure logic > do not display Multiple Measure questions





NOTE:  If a middle school student declares "I attended a lower grade than High School"


New AB540 Eligibility includes middle school, Adult Ed, and more.  Very complicated and tricky.


Ed Code specifies that AB540 has to be a form, but Natalie said she would look into it - 

If CCCApply can specified in the law and will the CCCCO legal 

The current questions do not reflect the current statutory changes - these are not 100% complete
There is some Adult Ed, coursework, non-credit, etc. - so instead of complicating CCCApply further - but CCCApply could make students aware of AB540 and/or gets them to contact the Admissions Office

AB2365 - can't charge fees to dual enrollment

If part-time special admit and excludes non-immigrant would not apply (mandatory exemption)

Can we use CCCApply for AB540 self-certification?  It's a digitally signed (electronic signature) - 


The current AB540 law includes more than what we've been flagging students in Apply, 

If we move AB540 out of CCCApply, we could remove the two AB540 questions below the HS Comp Date - this would affect the AB540 logic 

But there is push back - many colleges use those two questions 

DON'T REMOVE THOSE QUESTIONS


Logic should be triggering better information on the Special Links & Opportunities (and Rules/Messaging) should be made more robust and comprehensive



High School Completion Date

Need to clarify this question text - we are currently asking for a specific day.  Do we need to do this? 

We ask for the day to identify students for residency - Do we need to ask for the DAY?  Just the Month & Year? 


First we ask for YEAR
If the year is within 365 days within the RDD, then branch to the Month 

default to June 1, and they could add the Year in?

If they are under 18 - ask them for the 

CReview of Residency

Area C: Military & Dependents 




D

Area D: Special Residency






Special Residency Questions

(Season Agricultural worker - statute & Title 5)

Remove the three special residency questions from the application and then if the student is identified as a non-resident or an R2 

Keep the Foster Youth 
Keep the Homeless Youth 

These are special eligibility for non-residents. Only show these if they will be given 







Action Items:

Anna Salazar will lead a follow up discussion on adding the DACA to the Citizenship status question.  Change label to "Citizenship/Immigration Status".

Natalie Wagner - CO - SAAM statutory 




Steering District Roster: Approval Poll Table

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District


Vote
1

Cerritos CCD

Southern
2

Chabot-Las Positas District

Southern
3

Contra Costa CCD

Bay Area
4

El Camino CCD 

Southern
5Kern CCDCentral
6Los Angeles CCDSouthern
7Los Rios CCDNorthern
8Rancho Santiago CCDSouthern
9Rio Hondo CCDSouthern
10Riverside CCDSouthern
11San Francisco CCDBay Area
12San Joaquin-Delta CCDCentral
13San Mateo CCDBay Area
14Santa Rosa CCDNorthern
15South Orange CCDSouthern
16CCCTC
17CCCCO

2017 Steering Committee

3 = Bay Area Region

2 = Northern Region

2 = Central Region

8 = Southern Region